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RV Waste Disposal, Gravity versus Pump

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Waste Master nozzle and sewer hose
Waste Master press release - December 2008 - RV waste disposal, gravity verses macerator pump - lots of controversy has emerged recently regarding dumping holding tanks using a macerator pump with a ¾” or 1” hose as opposed to dumping using the traditional 3” gravity hose.

The two different methods have differing advantages. The macerator uses a small hose which is easier to handle and store while the gravity feed is simple and most effective when the proper hose and fittings are used. The pump can pump great distances and uphill while gravity must flow in a downward angle. Gravity needs no power while the pump consumes 15 to 25 amps of 12vdc power during use. The pump is slower while gravity is faster.

Research has shown that the biggest majority (over 95%) of RV enthusiasts use RV parks and resorts to enjoy the RV lifestyle. Most RV parks and resorts have approved sewer inlets at each RV site and the inlet is located relatively close to the electrical and fresh water connections. Some of the older parks have sites without sewer hookups, however, provide a dump station for removing waste before leaving the park. Other folks never stay in RV parks and prefer to boondock in rest areas, truck stops or on private property. A small number of RVers use a home “clean out” drain to dump their tanks, and in some cases using a macerator pump is necessary because of the distance from the RV to the house, or because the house is much higher than the RV.

In order to understand the “best method”, we researched the industrial sector of commercial vehicles carrying and transferring liquids from vehicle to its ground source. The reason for this approach is that commercial vehicles fall under many regulations enforced by government agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Department of Transportation (DOT) as well as state and county regulations.

In all cases (with the exception of septic trucks) gravity was the “best method” because the vehicle tank is located above the ground inlet. Very simple and very effective. The septic truck uses a special diaphragm pump system because it has to draw liquids out of the ground, which makes sense.
In addition, we found that all commercial vehicles that carry liquids, carry the transfer hose necessary to transfer the liquid from the truck tank to the approved ground inlet. All of this equipment is listed and tested to a standard of one type or another. Interestingly, the operators of these vehicles were all highly trained in the process in order to be licensed to drive these types of units.

We then asked countless RVers why they were unhappy with the current 3” hose and fitting packages they bought, and the answer was the quality is not sufficient enough to ensure a trouble free transfer by the second or third use.

The solution to this 30 year old problem surfaced immediately:

1 - Use a transfer hose that is more durable and up to the continued use. The hose needs to be made of industrial grade material with UV inhibitors.

2 - By using industrial grade connectors between the RV and the hose you are ensured a safe, drip free attachment. The industry standard system is called Cam Loc and is readily adaptable for RV use.
3 - Now, if the hose can remain connected at all times to the RV and have a shut off at the outlet, you wouldn’t need to clean it after each use. The shut off or nozzle would stop the flow in the hose, as well as, act as a plug to trap any smell remaining in the hose.

From the RV industry perspective we started at the top looking at RVs where the cost is not a factor and found that none of them used macerator pumps! They do however, have the best possible hose available and use electric dump valves for convenience. Why, when cost is not a factor would these companies not use a pump to transfer waste from their coaches? The answer is that they all practice the “keep it simple” method of design and engineering.

 RVers say that with the current arrangement: "the quality is not sufficient enough to ensure a trouble free transfer by the second or third use."?
 We think the Waste Master arrangement provides a better system ...

What do you think?  Read RoTi readers' comments below and add your own opinion ...

READERS' COMMENTS
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Pat DelgadoI've had 4 new RVs and all of them had the same lousy system. This should be fitted to all of them. I don't like connecting and disconnecting and even if you wear gloves you still spread the germs around.
paulnyI am a full timer with a 2007 Coachmen 35 footer class A. One of the reasons I liked them is because of their no mess gravity system where the hose is stored in a swivel pipe (they can still make a few improvments on). I also use a macerator pump when I visit friends homes. Its great!! I pump the waste into the homes air vent where the house plumbing system exits to the sewer. Never had a problem, just takes about an hour :( thats the only down side, that and cleaning and putting all the hoses and pump away. But it is better then having to leave and drive around looking for a place to dump!!
drybeanWe use the sewer solution and have for 3 years and find it great. It takes a little more time and works by water power but we love it.
JohnI had the Waste Master System installed shortly after it became available. I have found it to be the answer to the one problem that I had with RVing. It is quick and simple to use and I have never had a problem of any kind since it was installed nearly 2 years ago.
Charlie the CoachmanThe gravity system is fine in the campground. But boondoging presents other problems and a pluged tank too. I constructed my own system using camlock fittings from RV stores, hooked old washer machine hose as a permanent line camper to pump, then an old garden hose to the dump tank in the lime hole in a field, The pony pump works fine except for paper towels. Careful what you drop in the tank. Waster master good for motor homes, can't haul in a tow trailer. Bumper mount hose haulers don't seem to hold the new beefy hoses and the ground fitting elbow.
Dick I've had three RV's over the years and all had gravity systems. I have had hose and coupling failures at the worst possible times like in the movie RV. This past summer I installed a pump system and am very happy with it even though it is slower. When it is parked at home we have company use it and the long run to the clean out works very well.
Mert-AzWe have been full timing since 2005 and have used a Macerator when the gravity was not possible. It takes longer to dump and after a few uses, the hair from the shower gets around the impeller and has to be cleaned off! Try to trap the hair before it goes down the drain, some still gets through. I prefer a good gravity dump with good connections and hose!!
Gordon HighlandI'm not sure. I think there must be some advantages to the macerator system. I've had 3 rvs with the standard system and it always annoyed me that no one had supplied a better system. A fixed high quality hose sounds an improvement.
Harry BarnesWe have the Clean Dump system with a macerator. It's good but I think a simple system is just as good. A permanent hose would be good.
John GThis article's right. We don't need fancy pump systems with more things to go wrong. A simple permanently connected hose arrangement like the Waste Master would be perfect.
Ken ColbyI've been RVing for more than 20 years and full timing for the last 10 and have never really been satisfied with the waste handling couplings and pipe arrangement. This system is really a much better way of dealing with the problems
Ken AI think simple is often good. I think the basic tank system is as good as you need. I don't think there is any need for fancy systems with macerators or automatic level controls etc. I think you should just dump it as often as possible, no need for chemicals even to mess up the environment. The only thing that might be useful is a permanently connected hose system to save coupling and uncoupling and maybe a better quality hose system. The Waste Master looks good.

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